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請問黃福森-輕量化登山裝備?

richard5

2003/4/8

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這期山岳雜誌內輕量化登山裝備之超輕露宿袋
請問哪裡有賣?
使用心得如何?

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  • 詮峰店裏有兩種露宿袋,一種為委託偉盟代製的Gore-tex,即一般用的Gore_tex睡袋(Gore-tex公司只出產一種適用露宿袋的布種,所以每家做的都一樣)售價6500 另一種為委託橋登做的日本材質布料,透氣度差,但防水保暖度皆夠,售價3500,可以參考
    2003/4/8 afa 該用戶已被刪除
  • 黃福森之超輕露宿袋大概是 Adventure Medical Kits Thermo-Lite Bivy 原始設計是作為緊急露宿用,但某些狀況應仍適用,畢竟他的價錢與重量都是滿吸引人的. 大家拍手鼓掌,請黃福森,或曾有使用此裝備之山友說明使用心得好嗎? 另外是否請銓峰評估引進此產品造福山友 以下附上一些國外之資料 原廠之介紹 An ideal survival/emergency bag for day hikes, summit attempts, crosss country skiing, snowmobiling, and more. Made from a tough, four-ply, waterproof, windproof fabric(Thermo-LiteR), which will hold up to abuse while providing a soft feel and hydrophobic capabiliites. Foot vent and large opening provide ventilation to prevent you from getting hot or clammy. Reuseable. Packaged in a bright yellow carrying sack. 國外之GearReview http://www.backpackinglight.com/index/article.asp?did=98 General Description The Emergency Bivy Sack is a simple rectangular bag sewn along the bottom and one side. It is touted as a survival bag for safety on the unexpected night out. The Thermo-Lite material is waterproof but not breathable. For access it has 3"-long Velcro patches at 9" intervals along the top and half of one side. It has a 3" by 6" mesh window at the bottom to allow ventilation and control condensation buildup. It comes with a heavy-duty nylon stuff sack that weighs 0.7 oz and so adds 10% to its weight. The stuff sack has a mesh base to drain water and make it easy to confirm that the bivy sack is inside. Construction The Thermo-Lite material is a soft, waterproof, windproof fabric. It is made from four-ply non-woven polyolefin and vaporized aluminum. The fabric has a papery feel and can be ripped with a firm pull but is considerably more durable than thin Mylar. The outside has a dull silver coating. There is no seam sealing. The packaging hints that the non-conductive material is better in a thunderstorm than other reflective materials (presumably they are referring to Mylar). The material is quite flammable, which may be an issue when the user is huddled next to a fire. Function This bivy sack is roomy for one person and in an emergency two can squeeze inside. This could be life-saving when hypothermia threatens. Compared to a Mylar space blanket the material is quiet and the soft fabric feels warm against the skin. The Velcro-opening side should be helpful in getting an injured person into the bivy sack. The bivy sack is long enough to cover a tall person completely and the Velcro tabs on the top allow it to be closed over the head or fastened around the neck. The material is waterproof but not breathable, so there is potential for condensation and dampness inside the bag. This makes it more suitable as an emergency bag than for normal use. Along with the mesh patch at the foot, the 6" gaps between Velcro patches allow for some ventilation. Ironically, the ventilation features prevent the bag from being thoroughly sealed for use as a vapor barrier. The Emergency Bivy Sack is more than twice the weight and nearly three times the cost of the Mylar Adventure Medical Kits Emergency Sleeping Bag, but it offers improved comfort, easier access, and better durability. It is a cheap, light alternative to carrying a fully featured waterproof-breathable bivy sack. This bag is half the weight of most of the lightest of these, and it is 25% lighter than an Epic breathable-but-not-fully-waterproof bivy sack. Overall Impression This is a functional, waterproof, non-breathable bivy sack for emergencies. The Velcro and soft fabric make it more comfortable and easier to use than a space blanket. Light and affordable, this bag and a warm jacket may get you through an unplanned night out in fine fettle.
    2003/4/9 richard5

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  • TO Richard 5 一般天晴時我是不會去使用露宿袋的 好不好用看個人，如產品介紹它能防水，透氣則依賴底部砂網 下雨時它至少可以保護我的睡袋不被雨水弄濕 但絕對比不上GORETEX
    2003/4/11 SamHuang(Sam)
  • To: SamHuang 1. 請問雨天使用此超輕露宿袋,是否仍需搭外帳? 此露宿袋材質好像具有高絕緣性(隔熱性佳),不知在布料內外溫差大(外冷內熱)時,內面是否會結水氣而沾濕睡袋? 2. 中級山過夜如採用附圖照片之吊床方式,不知是否可行? To: 眾山友 另有關風評不錯之市面販售之Wild Country Gore-Tex露宿袋,聽店家老闆說除非有防蚊紗網, 否則任何露宿袋一旦拉鍊關閉,光靠布料之透氣孔是無法流通正常人之呼吸空氣量. 但亦曾聽山友說為防蚊蟲騷擾將拉鍊完全關閉睡整晚沒事. 想請有使用此型露宿袋之山友提供使用經驗, 謝謝啦！
    2003/4/16 richard5

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  • 我有使用過,不透氣袋內會濕掉,不實用
    2003/4/18 terry(terry)
  • TO Richard5 / Terry 1.輕量的露宿袋大多無法十全十美，不是無法透氣就是防水性不佳，所以搭配外帳是必須的，好不好用完全依賴個人需求而定，因為下雨天才用，所以我比較重視防水，至於犧牲的透氣性，則藉由露宿袋開放的空間來調整。要特別注意的是，即使是GORETEX，在長期使用後也會有滲水的情形發生。 2.每個人對裝備的需求不同，所以合不合用還是看個人。如選用圖中的宿營工具，要先問自己是否可以習慣整夜睡吊床，然後再來解決背部的保暖問題。 3.將露宿袋拉練關閉來防蟲，絕對不是好方法，頭戴防蟲砂網是可以考慮的另一種方式。
    2003/4/20 SamHuang(Sam)
  • 可以試試Hilleberg 的Bivanorak.可當雨衣用. 一物兩用,透氣性很好!
    2003/4/21 terry(terry)
  • 請問另一種個人用的單人帳有如何呢? 也是非常輕,只要3500元
    2003/4/22 clean(coke)
  • http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/ 上述網站是黃先生所說的輕量化裝備之ㄧ的露宿袋 應該是醫療專用效果若如黃先生所云 是相當值得採購 不貴大約合新台幣300元以內 US 8 我不會跨海郵購 有人會嗎可以辦個團購嗎
    2004/9/19 johnaltis(阿杰)